Second Life Griefing Tools Plus

Talen, I was on the opposite side of the fence re the scanners. But those kind of objects, and as you say, other weapons, have legitimate uses. I don't see that this is the same thing? I just can't think of any non ToS violating reason why these objects should exist in their current form? You're not telling me you'd want a fun game of blowing the crap out of sims and relogging with your friends?

Image Getting Better FPS in Second Life. Plus the unlocked camera means often people are viewing stuff close up. Another anomaly is content creators tend to have.

In general, I'm really very much against banning, restricting functionality, tightening the ToS etc just because of the odd stupid resident. But these objects, given the way they function, are marketed and positioned, and their purpose, are purely and simply griefer tools, and as such I can't see any reason why they shouldn't be banned in their current format. But again, it's still not so clear cut. The creator could add a new function to them tomorrow that gives them a legitimate use. Outside parties that carry these items for sale will not have my business.that is my own zero tolerance policy in action. I think it's a bit strong, and quite possibly somewhat ridiculous to call any action you can possibly conceive in SL terrorism. As far as I'm concerned, it belittles terrorism to even use the word in this context.

The victims of 911 couldn't just relog and carry on about their business. BUT I do agree with your last line, and I wish more people would quietly take this kind of stance rather than come here screaming for blood, bans, mass boycotts and changes in the law. But again, it's still not so clear cut. The creator could add a new function to them tomorrow that gives them a legitimate use. If an object has a feature such that the feature cannot be used without violating the TOS, then the object should be considered 'illegal'. Does it make sense to have a law that says you are allowed to have a nuclear bomb, you just aren't allowed to use it?

That makes no sense. I don't want to live in a police state. I don't want my next door neighbor experimenting with nuclear bombs, either. Talen, I was on the opposite side of the fence re the scanners. But those kind of objects, and as you say, other weapons, have legitimate uses.

I don't see that this is the same thing? I just can't think of any non ToS violating reason why these objects should exist in their current form? You're not telling me you'd want a fun game of blowing the crap out of sims and relogging with your friends?

In general, I'm really very much against banning, restricting functionality, tightening the ToS etc just because of the odd stupid resident. But these objects, given the way they function, are marketed and positioned, and their purpose, are purely and simply griefer tools, and as such I can't see any reason why they shouldn't be banned in their current format. But again, it's still not so clear cut. The creator could add a new function to them tomorrow that gives them a legitimate use. Just watch the thread and see where it goes. There are a lot of legitimate weapons out there that weren't scripted to make the targets connection drop but they still can.

I've shot people off the grid ( unknowingly ) with quite a few weapons that weren't meant to do that. It depends on quite a few things as your connection and continual shooting. Calling for LL to take a page from the FBI handbook and likening SL to a terrorists playground is a bit much.

Scripters are going to be coming under more and more fire. I've seen scripters take whole sims off the grid by accident while experimenting.of course how much experimenting will go on when they start to get tagged as griefers? As for this weapon.don't know haven't seen it used and the fact that its on a third party site has no merit. If it is used in world to grief then the griefer should be disciplined by LL The creator shouldn't be disciplined because he built something.

I'm surprised there's no discussion regarding just limiting these kinds of scripts via land tools. Correct me if I'm wrong - but with the exception of scripts that cause sim crashes, wouldn't this nullify the use of push-weapons in places where they're inappropriate? Again - why not just prevent some of these items before they're used maliciously.

On my PC I have a pop-up blocker, virus protection & a firewall. This is to.prevent. malicious activity.before. it happens.

Imagine if my approach was to have no virus protection, and just attempt to clean viruses after I get them? That'd be a losing battle. Much like the one we seem to be faced with when it comes to grief, without the proper tools to prevent it from happening in the first place.

Pitchforks bad. Prevention good.

He didn't just build it. If one builds something that can be ued ONLY to grief and sell it, then you are feeding the griefing market (and earn money on it) and shouldn't be treated differently from a griefer. You said yourself that the Seburo is functional yet stylish and can be used as an accessory. So this gun couldn't be stylishly used as an accessory as well? So is it best to ban creations and creators before they utilize the destructive power or do you wait to see how it is used? In Kris's early post she asked jokingly if me and friends have a friendly war where we have blown up sims and knocked eachother off grid.We have.

The system in SL for death while fighting just sends you home.no fun or threat in that.you are a lot more cautious when the threat is more real. So we have battles where people don't just run right up to you and shoot.they think.

Now if I and my friends wat to do this with eachother on a private sim where it only effects us who have we griefed? We have guns that will disconnect you if you are hit.they are few and we never use them in any other circumstance.

And this should be a legit or even useful use of that? Don't make me laugh talen, as always you are just clumsily trying to find an escape route for griefers. Don't you have anything better to do than defend griefing in all it's forms? Everyone is a griefer in your eyes.Please tell me who has been griefed by this weapon? You are condemning the creator and his creation without a victim. You are the one clumsily trying to ban things you don't like. As in the other thread where you weren't griefed but have called for the ban of creator and creation.

The same type of people went after Davinci for his medical exploration.you see in their eyes what he was doing was considered very bad by the church and was considered witchcraft by others.why cut up dead bodies to explore when we all know a lil blood letting will do ya. Everyone is a griefer in your eyes.Please tell me who has been griefed by this weapon? You are condemning the creator and his creation without a victim.

You are the one clumsily trying to ban things you don't like. As in the other thread where you weren't griefed but have called for the ban of creator and creation. Lol i know so many people griefed by this C4, it's sure not a new thing.

There even are people boasting about crashing sims with it in their profile (and intentionally crashing a sim is a bannable offence). Do a lil of research kid Btw, since you really seem to lack in understanding, in the other thread i AM griefed. LBv2 are on the land i PAY for and take up resources i PAY for.

Lol i know so many people griefed by this C4, it's sure not a new thing. There even are people boasting about crashing sims with it in their profile (and intentionally crashing a sim is a bannable offence). Do a lil of research kid Btw, since you really seem to lack in understanding, in the other thread i AM griefed. LBv2 are on the land i PAY for and take up resources i PAY for. So now its your concern that someone wrote something in their profile? How long will it be before you demand that LL give you actual user information? If you were griefed with this device then you need to report the person who griefed you.just because someone makes something you don't like doesn't mean they have griefed you or deserve to be banned.

As I said before I could grief you with a plywood cube to the extent that you go off world.do we now ban plywood cubes and anyone that creates them? I lack no understanding in the other thread.you weren't griefed. Playing the victim doesn't become you either. A apologize for the C-4 description. It does not force AVs to relog, it merely blows them away to other sims.

I have updated the description - and I do apologize for the misunderstanding. Vp-asp shopping cart 5.00 stores. I am one of several merchants who re-sell these weapons.

I do not grief people. I make it plain as day that the purchaser is expected to use the weapons within the terms of service. They can be legally owned, they can be legally used on private islands and in desolated public Sims. I stress, they are legal and have legitimate purposes.

Griefers grief people, not objects. These objects are just as legal as guns. And if you're not into the 'Briefcase bomb' - check out the detonator offered below. If you distribute objects that clearly violate the TOS, you should get the hammer. There is no reason in the world to distribute an object that can clear a sim unless you intend people to clear sims with it.

The distributor is directly enabling this activity from people who otherwise would have to figure out how to do it on their own. The object's capability is illegal. Selling it means you are selling illegal capability. Don't gimme that 'I just sell it I don't actually use it' nonsense. Tell that to the crack dealer over a few blocks.

You should NOT be allowed to sell them. If you are caught you should be suspended or banned, all accounts.

Regarding pitchforks, this has been going on for a long, long time. This is hardly a recent issue and now that the grid is filling up, these issues need to be sorted out. If you ask me, not being vocal about things like this = sticking your head in the sand. A start date of inside a year ago may not give one an appreciation for how long this has been an issue (though you'd think it would). You begin to lose faith in Linden doing anything on their own after, oh, say 2.5 years. The crux of the matter is selling the objects.

Not owning them. Saying, 'I have no control over whether this will be used for griefing' is ridiculous. You would actually have to sit down and think a while to come up with a way that a sim clearer could be used without griefing.

Unfortunately, and as insight into the emerging SL populace's character, I'm willing to bet 1k Linden that the objects are selling. Many people come to SL simply to make others miserable, since they think that it's part of the game, sort of like playing Planetside.

No, you don't mix drinks with a gun, you don't fertlize your lawn with Anthrax. These objects are intended to do harm and you should not be allowed to sell them, period. I've seen scripters take whole sims off the grid by accident while experimenting.of course how much experimenting will go on when they start to get tagged as griefers? That's absolutly right, and that's why I think there are common sense judgement calls involved, just like there are common sense judgement calls made for every kind of grief there is. Somebody who accidentally kicks off everybody in the sim should get a warning, 'hey, don't do that'. If it happens repeatedly, then they are overstepping their rights whether it is accidental or not.

Of course people who make mistakes, weapons that malfunction, and just plain accidents should not get soembody banned - nobody is advocating that. I suggest that there is such a thing as an 'illegal object'. Creating illegal objects intentionally is a serious offense. Creating them accidentally, or unknowingly is not a serious offense. Many objects can be used to violate TOS, and that shouldn't make them illegal. What makes them illegal is that they can't be used without violating TOS.

VERY very few objects would be ever be illegal under that definition.